This Friday, Emmanuel Macron is in Rome, on the occasion of the G20, and will meet in particular with the American President Joe Biden at the Villa Bonaparte, residence of the French Embassy, ​​not in Italy but near the Holy See. About ten days ago, Monday, November 18, Prime Minister Jean Castex was in Rome. To meet Pope François, at the Vatican, then his counterpart Mario Draghi, at the Chigi Palace, the Roman Matignon.

I had the pleasure of accompanying the head of government in this trip and I reported on it in Le Figaro the next day. A few days after the presentation of the Sauvé report, Castex notably recalled that “the separation of church and state does not in any way mean separation of the Church and of the Law ”. If I come back here to this Roman day, it is to take you behind the scenes of a movement which is not only diplomatic and which, for those who accomplish it, always has a special dimension ,

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